Whether they are there now or not is hard to say. It must have been puzzling to Glaze, as it is to us reading his letters, why a government agency would be providing security for a privately-owned company. He enjoyed giving to others, and loved the companionship of his four dogs. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 . Mr. WILCOTT - I don't understand. this allegation? Mr. DODD - I have just a couple of questions. Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. I asked the first man I sawa man who was telephoning from a pillar in the middle of the roomwhere I could call from. Thank you for your kind words and interest. I have no further questions. "I was standing on the triple underpass at the time and was wounded by a fragment that bounced off the pavement," Tague, now 77, told ABC News. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. Those generations who were there in 1963 are grateful that people like you are continuing the pursuit and taking another look at events which may have been too shocking for the rest of us to ever fully comprehend. I then proceeded to write an article called The Glaze Letters for the May 1999 issue of Jerry Roses JFK assassination research journal called The Fourth Decade. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Dorothy Ann Garner was a former office supervisor of Scott Foresman. In 1970, the TSBD and the schoolbook publishers moved out of the old 411 Elm Street building. Mr. WILCOTT - We were married in 1954, sir. Please publish modules in offcanvas position. Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. We should not jump to conclusions, since we do not know the entity that was actually paying him. [18] Carolyn Walther, 24H522; Edwards, 24H207; Fischer, 24H208. James Earl Ray fired one shot at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Mr. WILCOTT - The basis for that is discussions that I had with people at the XXXXX Station. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Also in this investigative report is information and connections on prime suspects : CIA Agent William King Harvey, CIA Agent George Joannides , CIA Agent David Altee Phillips and the confessions of CIA agent David Sanchez Morals and E Howard Hunt. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. PREYER - How many people were at the station in XXXXXXXXXXX approximately? It was not until 1999 that I located and spoke with Leslie Thompson, one of the original members. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, sir, I think of an agent as an actual employee of the Agency; we called them indigenous agents XX XXXXXX who were agents that were on a regular salary by the case officer who was running an agent, and then there were a lot of one-time informers or maybe one- or two- or three-time informers that were paid like maybe $50 or so to attend a meeting of a political party or something of that nature. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember where this conversation took place? Mr. PREYER - Thank you very much and we appreciate you and Mr. Schaap being with us today, and the hearing will stand in recess. [8] Jim Marrs, Crossfire (Carroll & Graf. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I realize this is testimony 15 years after the fact. He kept his pocket calendars from his years of employment, and he noted when the grocery company moved out of the building to a new facility in another part of Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - Jerry Fox was a Case Officer for his branch the Soviet Russia Branch, XXXXXXXXXX Station, who purchased information from the Soviets. [5] Interviews of Ted Leon and Thomas H. Butler. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your personal knowledge, CIA records XXXXXXXXXX were destroyed? Mr. SAWYER - When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in effect? Mr. CORNWELL - You had signed a secrecy oath while you were employed with the Agency? Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? And do you know for a fact that he was given Russian courses? The mayor, Mr. Sawyer, was Dominic Casaro. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Ruffians driving by yelled derogatory things and threw objects at the house such as half-empty beer cans. Mr. PREYER - Thank you for being here today, and I will call the subcommittee to order at this time. I went immediately into the clear space on the ground floor and asked where there was a phone. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1963, I wasn't think that much about it. By the way, I am a Mr.not a Ms.as the letter from Mr. Blakey indicates. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. It could be a hoax, but sounds sincere. Mr. Shelly claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA. He was in the military service over there, and so you feel be was a double agent who was trained while he was in the military by the CIA, and you mentioned he was given a Russian course. Mr. CORNWELL - All you can recall is that, when you. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people in the CIA? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And what did he tell you the cryptonym was? There was a problem loading your book clubs. Mr. GOLDSMITH - However, your testimony is that you spoke to only six people as an estimate who indicated that Oswald was a CIA agent -- and when I say six people, I mean six CIA people, is that correct? JAMES WILCOTT'S TESTIMONYJames B. Wilcott, a former CIA accountant, swore in a secret session of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that he was told by other CIA employees that Lee Harvey Oswald was paid by the CIA, and that money he himself had disbursed was for "Oswald or the Oswald project." [17] Gladys Cason, One Life, self-published book, 2004, pp. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; I think I had good performance reviews right up to the time that I left. Mr. WILCOTT - My wife and I both left the CIA because we became convinced that what CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism. Mr. SAWYER - Now, did the XXXXXXX station have any jurisdiction over the Russian operation or within the Soviet Union? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Their whereabouts are completely unknown. Mae Brussell showed copies of this document to the editors of Globe. Also Present: Elizabeth Berning, Chief Clerk, and Charles Berk, Betsy Wolf and James Wolf. In 1992, Congress passed the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that placed all remaining government documents pertaining to the assassination in a special category and . Mr. WILCOTT - I do. John F. Kennedy Subcommittee [26], Pierce Allman, a local newsman, later said that after he approached the TSBD, a man he recalled as Oswald near the front of the building, directed him to a phone inside.[27]. [5] Examination of city directories and phone books in the Dallas Public Library shows that the book depository and the publishing companies did not have the 411 Elm Street address until 1963. Mr. GOLDSMITH - But as a matter of routine, would the CIA cash disbursement files refer to the cryptonym of either the person or the project that is receiving funds? I must admit that my own fear of getting involved in the investigation has prevented me from writing you earlier. For in Barry Ernests book, The Girl on the Stairs, the reader will read that both Vickie Adams and Sandy Styles told Barry that they did not see either Shelly or Lovelady when they descended from the fourth floor to the first. [22] And this likely included coaxing Shelly and Lovelady into making an ersatz trip across the street to the railroad yards before their return to the TSBD, which is now when they said they saw Styles and Adams. What it was is hard to guess. exactly for sure. XXXXXXXXXXXXX. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. Mr. WILCOTT - I cannot remember. Mr. WILCOTT - Very much. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I understand. about it & possibly do a story on it. Mr. DODD - Did anyone else at the Agency know of your views at the Agency and did you communicate with other people about your dissatisfaction? My next call was to the Alternative Information Network founded by Doug Kellner and Frank Morrow. Do you believe that there was such a reference to Oswald? Instead, he might have been one of the temporary musicians. (Whereupon, at 12:55 p.m. the subcommittee recessed. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. About a year or two after her death, while his father was away, someone broke into the house and set it on fire, creating a furious blaze. You may have noticed that at the end of my letter to Alternative Views I carbon-copied to my will. It was intended as a jab at myself lest I get too full of myself rereading it 50 years from now. In 1984, they began sending tapes of their programs to public access channels in Dallas and San Antonio and then to other cities around the country, hence the name of the umbrella organization, the Alternative Information Network. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So basically, you checked only one of the advance books, is that correct? Mr. SAWYER - He was in Utica also? Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is that list complete and does it have. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you have any knowledge, based upon your tenure XXXXXXX as to who would have trained Oswald in the Russian language if that occurred? Occupation of the building during the summer of 1963 could be a first step in a planning stage. His information was that he had been unwittingly involved with paying Oswald through a high security clearance, since he worked in the finance office. At the end of. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So that they would be routinely destroyed at the time of auditing? Mr. WILCOTT - So it was sometime between February and June of 1964? All seven boxes had the names of schoolbook publishers stamped on them. He was not questioned by the Warren Commission. I will ask if you will stand and be sworn. Mr. DODD - And you and your wife both went to work for the CIA about the same time? Anyone e1se? Enclosed is a copy of the response from G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Director of the Select Committee on Assassinations. He followed environmental concerns and space exploration, and he enjoyed playing and watching sports. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And were you dismissed by the agency or did you resign? Mr. WILCOTT - All in the finance -- in accounting all of the time. The band started out in 1966 in Long Beach, California, and became known for its unique blend of country western and rock and roll. She said that she had been in the personnel department since 1982, and she never knew anyone by that name. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. I apologize." He was traveling from his mothers house in Ohio to Georgia. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY . Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am sure somewhere. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Additional gift options are available when buying one eBook at a time. Wilcott was a private pilot and landed his plane at noon, 11-23-63, Tokyo time. All visits to the building must be strictly business-related. [19] Immediately after Adams and Styles went out the back door, Officer Marion Baker came in through the front door and met Roy Truly. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Told to report to base by the tower. Mr. CORNWELL - I have no further questions. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Can you give the Committee the names of any persons who might corroborate your allegation? Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. No doubt the police asked Shelley a lot of questions, and it is possible that they kept him in custody until he gave satisfactory answers. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Well, in other words, if you got the information three months after the assassination, Oswald had already been dead for three months, is that right? Finally, under threats and intense harassment from Dallas Police, I was forced to flee Dallas in early 1975. Mr. DODD - And she was aware of it from 1964 up until 1968 -- There was a person, Dave, who was a Deputy Chief. Two men, who identified themselves (with I.D.) Carolyn Walther, a street spectator waiting to see the presidents motorcade, observed a two-man sniper team at a window on the fifth floor on the far-right side of the building. One of said employees, her husband, and child, disappeared without a trace a few hours after granting me an interview. Mr. CORNWELL - In the conversations you had with other CIA employees, the six or seven persons who purported to have good information about the use of Oswald as an agent, did any of those people say anything to you which suggested that the CIA had some role in the assassination of President Kennedy? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Referring to that list, would you tell the Committee where you were stationed during your period with the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - George Breen was a person in Registry, who was my closest friend while I was in XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Obviously, if Shelly had been arrested, someone with the police had that record expunged. Mr. SAWYER - How long were you associated with that? Mr. PREYER - And you did mention the case officer who came in and told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? The Warren Commission did all they could to delay the arrival time on the first floor by Adams and Styles in order to remove the two girls from the stairs when Oswald would have likely been on them. (National Archives, RG 272) No other event of the last 75 . Free shipping for many products! Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, you did. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. There are photos of him getting into a police car along with Bonnie Ray Williams and Daniel Arce. At the time he visited the place, Scott Foresman was gone, and a carpet company was occupying the building. [13] Henry Hurt, Reasonable Doubt (New York: Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1985), pp. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. This is an indication that the covert side of the schoolbook business had shifted to the Scott Foresman and Southwestern building, perhaps because the notoriety of the TSBD had hampered its ability to conduct smuggling operations and thus had to be discontinued. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Since the floors were not strong enough to accommodate forklifts, he wondered how the warehouse men could have moved such enormous boxes. Mr. CORNWELL - Had you done anything or said anything engaged in any activity which became of concern to them? He said he never saw it and said it was strange that I should possess a letter that was addressed to him. Mrs. Bergin paid a great deal of money for that dress. Near the two freight elevators were Shelley and co-worker Billy Lovelady. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. After standing on the front steps to see the shooting of the president, Frazier did something odd, about which he seemed to contradict himself about in an interview with the Sixth Floor Museum in 2013. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, they were such incidents as the FBI agent that was working with a group -- and this was an established fact that this person was an FBI agent and that he wa working with the group that I was working with an antiwar group and, to my mind, there is a very great likelihood that this person was there to neutralize me, as the CIA term went. I do. Oversized boxes were also seen by Joe Bergin, Jr. when he visited his father at the 411 Elm Street building. [18], Less than a minute after the assassination, two Scott Foresman employees, Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles, who were on the fourth floor, ran down the stairs to the first floor. I will help any wayI just want to be forewarned. [27] Gerald McKnight, Breach of Trust p. 115. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, are you here with Counsel today? From June of 1960 to June of 1964, I was stationed at XXXXXXX Station, and my primary duty was finance and cash disbursements. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, how long were these advance books retained? JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? That he continued to serve in a military, or semi-military, capacity at the same time he was working for a schoolbook company is indicated by his obituary, which said he was a veteran of World War II. Mr. WILCOTT - Anything they had there would have -- sometimes they used as many as two or three different cryptonyms and they would have -- it all depended on how far they wanted to isolate it from the original source, from the original source as to where the project was run. Do you follow the question? Please try again. RX-ZIM. From June of 1964 to about December of 1964, I was at Roseland. Mr. WILCOTT - Along those lines they said things like, well, that Oswald couldn't have pulled the trigger, that only CIA could have set up such an elaborate project and there was nobody with the kind of knowledge or information that could have done this, and this was more in the speculative realm. In addition, all of my interview notes and tapes inexplicably disappeared. If it is true that Shelley was affiliated in some way with CIA or U.S. intelligence, that would be a disturbing and potentially significant development.[10]. 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