WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. WOOD 36 Caliber; 75% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Uberti 1851 Navy 6 shot .36 caliber black powder revolover. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. I load as follows: Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. Ive got a friend in the Hill Country who is a maniac on the topic of hunting Bambis mom. The emphasis on having antlers to hang on the wall has led to a ratio of 20 does per buck, which is not a stable gene pool. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. Barrel: 12 inch 1885 High Wall Manual. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. I now have two 58s one with a conversion (to 45 colt cartridge) cylinder from Midway that works great, and no black powder fouling. Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. They are both shooters and I believe they will have a blast with this next time I visit. Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. Original blued finish and plain walnut grips. Get an UpLula magazine loader. This was sometime in the early 2000's. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Thus making it almost impossible for a cap to fall into the workings of the gun. 1873 Rifle Manual. The grips were too thin to get a good grip of. And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR NEAR MUZZLE. 1876 Rifle Manual. Fine. ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. I called VTI. When Puma started having the 92's made by them instead of Rossi in Brazil, they increased the prices but not the workmanship. Thatd be 24 shots of fairly rapid fire, not shabby even by todays standards. Big thump, big cloud, and I could see the huge rounds hitting the berm when I was spotting through binoculars. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Come visit us at: 1858remington.com Johnnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378, yup agree totally been doin bp for almost a half century myself n this is an excellent way to clean them your guy needs to foam elsewhere apparently that foam might dribble onto a bun n rust right through it to the table underneath after all foam is water lol. Type: Revolver. Lightning Manual. Black Powder Revolver Manual. The Other Type of Percussion Revolver obtainable on to-days Market, Copies of the Colt Design, are by comparison A very poor second. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 00:33. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH MODERATE WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. 921(a)(3), (a)(16). DO use a stout load. I have an ASM made, Cimarron marked, 1860 Richards. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. View more auctions here. Or even from New York? That's your build date. Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. It wears Pietta gripframe screws, too. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. I have a spare cylinder in the LC so I can keep shooting just by swapping the cylinders. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. Gauge: 44 percussion. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. He took the gun back. If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. This was suggested by a good friend and serious black powder target shooter who has a couple of the 1858s. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52776. After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. THE BLUING IS VERY GOOD BUT SHOWS LIGHT OXIDATION ON THE BACKSTRAP. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. Lock needs attention, hammer won't hold., s/n 346xx. Bah! WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting There was no penetration, but the deer died where I hit it. Pew Poll: Gun Control Losing Steam, Money and Popularity, Gun Review: Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun .22LR Revolver, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, The 3 Most Important Handgun Shooting Stances to Learn, http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-revolvers/1851-1861-navy-collection/1851-navy-steel-36-5-octagonal-barrel-steel-case-hardened-frame-brass-backstrap-trigger-guard-model-002.html, Johnnie Roper (Gunslinger9378 on the 1858Remington.com Forum. The conversion cylinders may be purchased only through an FFL, as the change makes the pistol no longer a relic as it fires readily available modern ammo. He would also GIVE to Government Officials, very fine engraved Pistols, beautifully engraved with Silver of Gold, to U.S. When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. THSS TSRA NRA Life You have entered an incorrect email address! Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. .44 Cal percussion. 1899. hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. They were in a nut shell, junk. He then shoots it. The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. Model: 1858. BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH GOOD RIFLING. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST THE BORE IS MIRROR .45 Colt; 98% blue, mint bore, near mint grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1871 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN NEAR NEW CONDITION. Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1858 Remington (and some things you didnt!). Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. FOOD, Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. Someone asked why they are called .44s if they take a .452 or .454 ball. Black Powder Revolver Manual. The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. Plain walnut grips. Me too. I was told a few years back that the other gun makers in Italy approached them and requested that they work harder on the craftsmanship as they were giving the Italian gun makers a bad name. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. oops! A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. No feeder, but a scoped .243 at 75 yards (distance to the tree line) no one calls it hunting. Tsk tsk. Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. Then little oil and you are set. Reenacting: CW & IW So I fire the shotgun first now, and cuss at the rammer, and have 9 chambers of wholy fun otherwise. The heavier loads are a bitch on my wrists so Ido plinking at about 20 grains. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. I was watching them in the 80s and was able to watch all of the Clint Eastwoood movies multiple times. Blued finish, plain walnut grips. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. Grand Army /Frontier Perfect for display and target shooting. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Nice! Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. CYLINDER, BARREL AND LOADING ASSEMBLY IS BARE METAL. WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. Finally, different guns will perform differently with different sized balls (or conicals), and that is something to experiment with as well. Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. If youre not lucky, then youve got a tear in your femoral artery and only a few minutes to stop the bleeding before youre introduced to Eliphalet Remington at that great gun factory in the sky. Lock functions well, trigger 44 Caliber; 96% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Pietta 1851 Navy .44 caliber black powder 6 shot revolver. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard It was a great pointer and very accurate. Many folks have made the same mistake, though. BORE IS NEAR MINT WITH EXCELLENT RIFLING. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. Very scary as all get out. In a way, you could say it was two guns in one! Oil finished walnut stock with 44 BP; 97% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Theyll NEVER rust this way. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Got one of each. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. even the center fire 45-70 and the 45 colt cowboy rounds are NOT considered a fire arm, due to the FACT that they use slower burning black powder to fire them!