This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Opinion Mark Wingfield. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. What am I gonna do? Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. rm. See what mine own hands have wrought. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." Regards. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Its only your perception and I would deny it. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. or redistributed. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. Truth in love. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. You were rightthat was not very mature. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. 4) Wrong on all counts. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. It is quite shocking. What is there to apologise for? Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Will you not come and revive us? From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. Matt. what evidence do you have for that?). This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Its always good to get correction! 3. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. It happens. If you dont like it, too bad. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. Opinion Preston Clegg. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? PPS. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. (John MacArthur). You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. John MacArthur. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. So it wasnt all bad. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. Simply not true. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) 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