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We talked to her for a little while and PAT: At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. ROBERT: And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? I'm in public health. JAD: These are four kids from the same birth mother? That's what I remember her saying. CARL ZIMMER: Well, it was a zoo where there was all sorts of experiments going on. BARBARA HARRIS: After I've gotten to know so many of the women. What they decided to do first was to try to figure out which rat was which, which meant, interestingly, counting all the legs. He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. I said, "This will be the last one. [laughs[ Exactly. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. Who are they? Most toads, he says, love to stay in the water. LYNN PALTROW: Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? Or is it? If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. So yeah, she keeps me busy. CARL ZIMMER: Enhancing public understanding of science and technology CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: in the modern world. But it failed. These are four kids from the same birth mother? Well think about it, this is nature and nurture slamming into each other. She filled out the forms went BARBARA HARRIS: Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. SAM KEAN: Except he had one. SAM KEAN: You got to help boost if you had a starving grandfather. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You know, you've got all these chemicals around. Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. Well, its offensive. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Well lets lets read the book first. BARBARA HARRIS: He wasn't a little happy baby. A little village? In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations._Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. PAT: Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. I'm Sam Kean's dad. PAT: Like shed give the women a choice. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Not usually because it upsets people and I'm Canadian. You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. I could have turned out like some of the other kids. I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. But what exactly. PAT: She just knew, "This is my daughter.". JAD: He works at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden where he studies population data. If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. She should be with me. Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. When Emil gets to be eight, I'm cutting him off. Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? That's how I've always looked at it. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. His example with humans was a blacksmith. The lady knew why we were there. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. Well, so here's the thing. I feel that they should all be sterilized. And they had more. PAT: A year later, she gets another call. Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. DESTINY HARRIS: As you can see, I like to talk. You're finishing college, right? OLOV BYGREN: Well, for cardiovascular disease JAD: Olov told us, take heart disease. PAT: Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. SAM KEAN: And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. Yeah. JAD: And then, Michael just launched into this thing. That's interesting. That was the implication, except Kammerer tried to defend himself by saying "Do you think I'm a Dummkopf, or an idiot, because that's what I would have to be if I left a forgery with ink standing around openly in the laboratory where so many of my enemies would have entry?". I don't think that puts me in the same category as Hitler. Kalia came too. I'm Executive Director and Founder of National Advocates for Pregnant Women. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? That's how we ended up with four of them. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. That's 9, 10, 11. JAD: I dont know. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. Kammerer thought, "Wow. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. The lady knew why we were there. That's the headline for his talk, and then CARL ZIMMER: Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". Move on to the next cage, yes, no? [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" MICHAEL MEANEY: Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. You can do this. Riksarkivet. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. Full transcript: Radiolab co-host Jad Abumrad on Recode Media The new season of More Perfect, a spinoff show from Radiolab, began airing Oct. 2. Move on to the next cage yes, no? Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. I mean that's a different kind of odds, but its DESTINY HARRIS: Hi, this is Destiny Harris. It might be a mixture. Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. One-fourth? PAT: And by this point, she's 37 years old. I mean, it's pretty common but like, here's a for instance, my dad from my entire life had this thing where if someone was whistling, he would. I don't know where she gets that from. Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? ROBERT: Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? JAD: That's against the rules. You picked him up right from the hospital? [foreign language]. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? JAD: We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? JAD: It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. Is that too old?" Still, that's a burden that, he's carrying a big burden there. The kingdom archive. SAM KEAN: He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. I decided to have a press conference in my front yard to announce what I was doing. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, it drifts into something like a shopping channel. Are you nine? I tell you what I'm going to do though. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. Or did I somehow learn that? JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. SAM KEAN: But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. He had one remaining midwife toad. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. PAT: Because when a woman uses heroin while she's pregnant, the fetus gets hooked on it too. SAM KEAN: I should add too. You got your good parents and your bad parents. So that was just funny to me. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. JAD: If the genes are the bottom floor, then this layer on top is sometimes called the epigenome and that thing can change based on your experiences. You know? Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. JAD: So, in the end, where do you come down on this? That's a lot of people. SAM KEAN: In a little community called verkalix. DESTINY HARRIS: My situation turned out positive. Yes. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. ROBERT: Well, lets not get too excited too fast because we have a story to tell and this tale leaves me a little queasy. BARBARA HARRIS: I mean, I'm married to a Black man. Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. I find myself thinking like, Okay, I know these kids have their genes half from me, half from my wife. OLOV BYGREN: The results are quite obvious. JAD: Because, you know, that Ive got these two kids, right? SAM KEAN: Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. But with the midwife toad, the female Lays her eggs on land and then the male midwife toad comes along And actually kind of sticks them to his back legs, like a bunch of whitish grapes, and then hops around with them basically until they hatch. How was this woman allowed", BARBARA HARRIS: "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". Look, in the end, what do I know? PAT: Just a little. Females seem to hate laying eggs in the water, but is that the end of the story? ], Sterilized? BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. That's the stuff that makes you you. Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. OLOV BYGREN: Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. [chuckles], OLOV BYGREN: Yes, yes. She's 20 months old. Then choose either Section II OR Section III and answer all questions in that . BARBARA HARRIS: Sounds bizarre, but it's a solution. He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. [laughs]. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. Radiolab: Inheritance - Mastering Rhetoric Radiolab: Inheritance Posted on February 26, 2013 by wlin4 So I listened to Radiolab's story on "Inheritance" which talks about genetics. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. So that's fun. PAT: Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a co Then, Carl told us about this research that showed JAD: Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. PAT: Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. Take a look, explore and subscribe! JAD: Stretching got into the baby. OLOV BYGREN: Methylations, phosphorylation, and so on. Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. But here's what I did not know about DNA. You've got these toads who hate water. And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. And so, her name is Kalia. 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