I felt something was amiss with the email story when I first heard about it. Hence, I like Brad Futurist guys work, though I do find it sometimes too intellectual for me! Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. January 28, 2020 8:39 pm. Nothing would happen there. Good night!!! If I felt uncomfortable I removed myself from the situation and spoke up. Millions of dollars all. People want to see us deal with our sin openly and humbly. Nope. @ Bridget: We must judge actions and , if they are wrong, we must pass judgement on them, even if it is one of our beloved leaders. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . I am so very proud of her and with how hard this has been on everyone. In a calm. If what he related is true (and I doubt it) there were bold ways to handle that to ensure a big message was sent and would have served EVERYONE better. Not the courtroom. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? I have been reading sex abuse stories for 9 years. Its up to the Willow Creek to distinguish themselves and so far, based on the comments here, they have not. Now that these accusations are coming out in the open, some women have doubts that the skeptics will acknowledge the body of evidence about his behavior, and confront their own preconceived beliefs. why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. Good point. I mean, most say they want the truth. That isnt good for anyone. @ JB: I think its more common than any of us think. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. The solution? In a Facebook post shared over the weekend, a church member accused Dr. B. of kissing, fondling, and pressuring her with sex between 1984 and 1988. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. Same church where Hybels daughter worked (PR for Bell) and met her husband who was Minister of Music, now in charge of music for Willow Creek. The trusting person is the dupe who was groomed to respond accordingly. No worries. And David C Cook did not remove Tullian Tchividjians books at the time, though when I checked just now, it appears the only one they carry is the biography of Billy Graham for which he wrote the foreword. There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. Whats wrong with you women? Betrayal, trust, etc. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. that their chief goal is to get their sexual needs met without negotiation. Things that often included the emotional or spiritual wounding of others, if not actual physical or sexual abuse, were overlooked, out of a misplaced trust and loyalty to a so-called man of God. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. It can be such a power deal included in lots of other power moves by the evil ones well regarded in church. he is still a . Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? 1 comment deleted. Bars Hennessey series is excellent. A high five or handshake can do the same. Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. (Usually seeker Megas go with you are just human and made mistakes and not you are a worm so its to be expected. Most Pew sitters wont have a clue its going on but the staff is definitely affected. The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! As we got up to leave at the end of the evening Bill said to me in front of the group, Nancy why dont you stay for a couple of minutes for us to discuss your ministry work? I immediately looked at the others for how I should respond and one of them smiled and said, Okay, see you in the morning.. We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. Cant people be sincere and caring without all that? Just wondering??? Lynne Hybels did not respond to messages seeking comment. Hybels' name should be mentioned, yes, but in a Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) sort of way, with seasonal or continuous confession and sorrow and repentance. Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. By Thriftbooks.com User, June 15, 2004 This is the greatest study bible that I have seen. WITCHES! Its The guy at church who wants a side hug. In the end the price has already been paid by Jesus and its Only By Grace that we enter.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0. Not atypical. Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? Too much time, money and hero worship. Alas, sometimes the reactions of people reveal of whom they are a true disciple. There are too many similarities between their stories. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . I double dog dare every Creeker to demand to see a detailed budget. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. @ Davis and Natasha: @ Law Prof: @ brad/futuristguy: What I count is as follows: Hybels is the founding and former senior pastor of the Willow Creek Community Church located in South Barrington, Illinois. Ok whats wrong with this picture?? This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. Refuse to settle for eloquent lechers. Either way, doesnt matter. Its the whole structure of the godly pastor on stage week after week. So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. But worse. The church is one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. Or God is discipling yet another church. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! Dee and Jack know so little. Last Son Standing? There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. Time will tell whether WC was following Christ or Hybels. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. 3) Their situation is, as Jack Nicholsons character says in the movie of the same name, As good as it gets.. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. Lydia, many have long suggested such things, but are officially scoffed at and rejected as conspiracists. All that to say, once these people leave WCC they realize the atmosphere there was not right, and yes this would include John Ortberg as well. Lynne Hybels Bill (281 results). Thank you for that comment, Lydia. Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors But at church with people you see week after week? Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. I do not know the answer to this question but red flags are waving up, down and all around this situation. Exactly. We have preached a get of jail free gospel of buy the ticket and everything is as if it never happened. Dee is correct with respect to Hotel rooms. Its their normal. Who appointed you besides yourself ? How many people do you need to hurt with your judgement and accusations before it is enough? Really? There is great peace in being able to say That action was wrong. and not have to decide Is he saved?. Redemption. But I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. I stood up and walked out. I want to express my gratitude to Nancy for coming forward. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? The whole manipulation tactic is a brain gamer based upon the receivers cognitive dissonance. Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having mens persons in admiration because of advantage. I dont think Jesus sees things the same way they do. I dont have to be a fan of Nancy Ortberg to take her testimony seriously. A lot of people find security and safety in that. Look at it this way, if they had waited just 6-months longer Brother Hybels would have been given an honorable exit from the ministry as he faded into retirement without facing these allegations. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. I stayed silent, but I now see that Im not alone. Fast forward to a point where a number of people are coming forward sharing *the same experience. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. Billy Graham, doing the work of an evangelist, told people the good news. He is loving and gracious and is you biggest fan! @ Julie: Shameful! How they must love what they do! Menu. Ambien made me do it (Bill Hybels) But it should not be celebrated, as Williams and Dummitt directly stated and indirectly did with continuous praises and accolades. Our job is to sow seeds. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. I hope that someone who knows what they are doing is archiving all of the official statements and documents by Hybels and WC. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. 1 Peter 4:8 Other tricks of such manipulators include drawing others into guilt-causing behavior, for instance using swear words casually or tossing around jokes about blow jobs. Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. But of course, youve been trained up in the world of megas, where vapid sayings take the place of the Bible. Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. @ truthseeker00: As someone who didnt grow up in the church, I see the deep value of it. Surrounded by sycophants, who knew better. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. But on the wider scope, I asked the folks a work today if they knew what was happening at Willow Creek. We have a problem with people who now want to pile on the growing number of women who are coming forward with similar stories. Only much later did I recall, for instance, my pastor condemning those gossip bloggers who were trying to tear down the church which is how I first found this blog. The information given was half-truths and from the very first email sent out from the elderslacking wisdom and discernment. In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. If he did nothing wrong, he wouldnt have done it unless you really buy *he did this to save the church* meme. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. Did we demand transparency? I also freely admit to hugging my cat till she meows at me to let her down. Whether or not one can repent after death seems to be the question when it comes to Christian universalism. What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? The FAQ document she links, however, entitled Willow Creek Response to Local Media, has mysteriously transformed itself into a 404 NOT FOUND message. This was not about a long hug. The Devil is destroying yet another church. It never ceases to amaze me that the Pew sitters continue on without ever demanding to see a detailed budget. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. Association of Related Churches Its harder to sweep things under the rug when internet on-lookers are looking under rugs 24-7. kwim, dees? In some jurisdictions and situations, it may lead to criminal charges for spoliation of evidence or perhaps even tampering of evidence. Oh dear. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. Watch and youll see it some day! Brothers Dont Shake Hands, Brothers Gotta Hug. Tommy Boy, its definitely legit and very well written. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. 1 in particular always made flirtatious comments. My team of outsourced profs, quality tech people saw it, too. And whistleblowers are rarely the pristine good guys with no baggage. At TWW, comments become a place of learning and exposure. 2,395 Followers, 144 Following, 415 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @lynnehybels Forgive, and you will be forgiven. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? Read the books and follow the formula. No one walks away unascathed. Willow wont even list Mars Hill on Steve Carters website bio. Still not handled. In Christian theology, the Devil prefers deception and manipulation and the Long Con, NOT the Direct Frontal Attack you hear these days from Spiritual and Cultural Warriors. We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. Anybody who doesnt respect your boundaries, whatever they are, is suspect. One more narcissistic, egotistical, Out of control, self-serving man in a position of trust has been stopped in his tracts. From all angles. Those of us in the pews and on staff are at fault. but I know you dont have that set up. Bill Hybels and Willow Creek, Ravi Zacharias, Steve Timmis and Acts 29, Hillsong New York City pastor Carl Lentz, James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel are just a few of the names I could list. Never being offended. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. Big. . They have changed so many lives for the good. If they are self impressed with the numbers who attend WCC, they have a problem. Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? Jesus healed that man and told Peter to stow it. Be nice and your comments will be let through. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! I go even further with it, Jack. Glory to God. If theyve discontinued publishing/reprinting his works, they did so without any public notice that Im aware of, and wouldve taken them well over a year. And why on earth is this even a discussion? Look for similarities with the other victims testimonies. I am terribly concerned that there is game playing going on here by people who cannot accept that Bill Hybels has resigned and he did so believe there are problems that people cannot accept. I understand the victim mentality, I have been a victim, but his repentance has little to do with the womens healing. Swimming in a mile-wide creek, one-inch deep. They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth. And what is important here is that authoritarian control, often gained through emotional, spiritual and or sexual abuse is frequently used to establish control and enable institutions to achieve whatever it is their true agendas are. But is that truthful? Of course Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Agreed that Ms. Walles claims arent relevant to the question of Mr. Hybels actions, although they do speak to a toxic, boundary-less culture where men were apparently not held to high standards and did not have clear guidelines that held them accountable. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. Sigh. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. When we finally did start talking, everyone called us liars. Hybels problem seemed to be hotel rooms. it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself!, When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou, https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Including the Ortbergs. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Bill Hy the Touchy Guy got himself into this and his elders proceeded to dig the hole deeper no devil required. We are as busy as they; The Bible makes specific reference to this in I Cor. He was once featured in a Christian magazine. Of course not. Like the invitation sent out to for the Family Meetings, and the actual meetings themselves. Thus, the cottage industry that often accompanies or is an integral part of their ministry (sic) glides on, and the supposed spiritual.authority who is moving on is positioned to escape consequences and true rebuke. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? The next time you make a blanket statement about what the Bible says, pause, think about it, Google and find some help for these difficult concepts. Paul spoke up, and evidently appropriate action was taken, for which the Church at large benefitted. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. That was Pauls charge to Timothy. @ dee: And conveniently you are dismissing the affair. Bingo. Like you, quite a few of us have spent years studying it deeply. Is it the lack of family having your back? It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! That is a mistake. Ummmmm Brad. Its a good time to focus on Jesus, not on any leader, which is misguided faith in the first place. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. But your iniquities have built barriers between you and your God, and your sins have made Him hide His face from you so that He does not listen. (Isaiah 59:1-2). ? Why not go public 4 years ago?? You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. The man who assaulted me regularly made passes at women in public. Is this a ruse to further that idea? That attitude was a LOT more prevalent than people think. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. She even volunteered in church (choir, Sunday School) and married an aspiring preacher! Thats how this tends to work. @ Deborah: Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. Please join me in praying for WCC, the victims, and the leaders. More than we know. I think there can be a benefit when many people have a genuine need for human touch. Anyone questioning the purpose of this blog should realize that when churches and relgious leaders put themselves out there accountabilty comes with that publicity. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! It is a sad day for others in a position of leadership at Willow Creek to have been slow to address this and take definitive steps against it early on! Pew sitters paid for these seminars.. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. That is because most men and women are not predators. The church isnt being destroyed. I outlined above the typical reasons people dont mention uncomfortable incidents with someone they trust or admire. Rats gnawing cables in two; Or they adapted. (3) A fifteen-minute phone conversation, also on April 6th, with the woman who made the confession, who had previously emailed Leanne three times that if her story went public she would deny it. Plausible deniability for Bill. Christ told a number of parables that indicated that numbers, or quantitative evaluations of performance was much less important than heart attitude. publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels. Email a description of the experience to yourself right away while details are fresh. The premise of con- templative spirituality is pantheistic (God is all) and panentheistic (God is in all). FWIW, Id love the notification option tooI have the opposite problem as Barb. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Thats only whats been reported. We have not seen courageous leadership. Bill was asked about his special arrangement with I.T., where his emails are permanently deleted on a frequent and regular basis. Remember all those times we hung out together and nothing happened? Think about it. She thanks you too. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. It was always funny to me (sad really) how when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days. I have been doing some background checking into this. Instead, these women were displayed like his leadership trophies. Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! Alway such an emphasis on putting Willow Creek 1st, how about putting Jesus 1st? Why wait until now?? Or been involved with the thought reform in a social justice Warrior Church. Ummm-not exactly. Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. So, as with what apparently happened at Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels having his emails removed, that wasnt really a great idea. People are observing us, day in and day out. Are you so sure its the devil? Alcohol made me do it (Perry Nobel) Hybel's father was an entrepreneur in wholesale produce whose work ethic was the model for his son. Bill Hybels got married to Lynne in 1974. 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? These things were the normal and the personal assistants was more than happy to go along. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. Ephesians 4:2 Then they become red flags. April 13, 2018. Some of how he came across might also be that to some extent, he too has been a victim of at least some lies and misconstrued intentions. Look up who are semitic people. Activism. Dont confuse the two. when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. Take look at what Paul says about this immoral situation. Hooray for David. I dont think that you can judge how repentant and how contrite Bill has been, based on the words that he said when he announced his retirement. If we do that, whether it is an elderly shut in praying for her friends and family in solitude or a person such as Peter standing in front of thousands, so long as we do whatever the Lord asks, that is a great work. Hes probably kicking himself for the missed opportunity! If there is anything we can do to be of further support, do not hesitate to let us know! . All so sad! Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. August 7, 2018. He could claim she was taking advantage of him (poor man) because she knew that after taking Ambien he might not be possessed of his full faculties for the rest of the night. Yet, recent expanded personal testimony and wider media discovery has presented material that strongly suggests an Willow Creek senior pastoral history of improper judgement in relation to proper scriptural leading or proper inner-workings of a church representing the teachings of Jesus Christ. This has been going on for a long time, and he has had much time to process this, and as he said, he has been accountable, at least after he let go of his anger, to the elders. Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. You 2 probably believe Jesus was Jewish as well as all the disciples. Rudyard Kipling, The Picts Song (about guerilla warfare), Ok. Ok. We have some good news to give to the world. Who are the people our Creator said were His people? Certainly not the ones who keep claiming they are always the victims. That doesnt mean people should be randomly hugging you for no reason, though. So when comparitve newcomer Paul withstood Cephas to his face because he stood to be condemned per Galatians 2:11-14, some may have seen it as slamming one of Gods anointed. My problem with all of this is that I am no fan of or apologist for mega churches or mega stars of any stripe. Not at all but this bit sums up Hybels Leadership acumen we used to make fun of in the 90s. Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. Our job is to call. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. "Who will pay for the SBCs abuse reforms over the long term? In the process, one creates division, hatred and war, both within and without the so-called Church. I hope that you are correct that what was stated by Jodi Walle is not true. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: I do. I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. I saw this in mega churches and just about every secular organization I was in. Some people, educated people, decent people, never talked. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. if this was mishandled, was else has been mishandled? Willow Creek Community Church initially started as a high school ministry but grew over time to become one of the biggest Churches in the United . Of further support, do the same is exactly as others have predatory. 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