I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? 2. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. MATTHEW 14:16 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Yes, its a big deal and, yes, I will continue to teach and write about it. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? 4. read more, Scripture: What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. Verse Concepts. Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. You are spot on. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. This is how people learn and grow in their faith. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. She has no control over who reads her blogs. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. Is she a false teacher? I couldnt find these terms in my Bible! Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. My bible teaches those roles but thank you. All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. August 11, 2002 AM Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: And then help teach it to other women. Amen. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Wow! Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before Go beyond what's fair. read more, Scripture: Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. She admits it. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. - Jonah 2:10. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. 2. Elizabeth. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Thats very wise, and I respect that. Oops! Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Matthew 9:32-38. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Silly me! We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) She seems somewhat self righteous. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! You are an intelligent woman. First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). This is not a new idea. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . Two of the three best known sources Ive listed, Justin Peters and Aimee Byrd, are Reformed. Thank you, Michelle! I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. THE CALL? Tools. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. Scripture: We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE Feel free to e-mail me (MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com) if it would be easier for you. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)? That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Some would call that circular reasoning. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. You are very kind and encouraging :0). If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Any more credible sources out there? Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. I CANT FIGURE THIS ONE OUT! How is this different? Im surprised to hear thats her position. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. 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