IN 1974. Bob was known as one of the remarkable prophetic . The Bible teaches it the resurrection that makes us immortal. Im Christel Berns. Yesterday it was Toronto, today we have the freshfire revival in Lakeland, tomorrow it will be somewhere else. None of these are recorded in Scripture but they do manifest themselves among those in the New Age/ Occult. . Jones relates his concern about the rise of abortion and homosexuality, and a conversation he had with a devil: He told me the next time that I prophesied and told anybody about it,he would kill me. I watched one interview on TV where the translator was trying to salvage what appeared to be the ramblings of a man that was not coherent in his speech and had to reinterpret nearly everything said. I had hoped that there would have been some discipline taken at S.K.C.F. Bob Jones started having prophetic experiences at the age of 7 years old, and continued to have experiences his entire life. According to Bob Jones when he was 13- The first time I ever seen the white horse was when an angel called Gabriel was riding. This white horse is to bring to pass the former moves of God that took place overtime. My ears perked up on this. It was a moment he long awaited to be with his first love Jesus, and to be reunited with his loving wife Ruth. But he just cant seem to get the accuracy level past first grade prognostics. The grandiose vision of the Movement was, in fact, expanded by a whole series of visions that Bob Jones supposedly had between 1974 and 1983:MB:When Bob first walked in the office on March 7, 1983, he said, Ive come to get you to believe in a movement that is worldwide and that is going to touch the nations of the earth withsuch power and glory that it will go far beyond the book of Acts. Jones become confident of his standing before the lord that he did all he was supposed to do, as this line approached Him he looked to left and saw men wrapped in dollar bills, men on the inside of a whiskey bottle. Other pastors in Kansas City acknowledged that; The exaggerated stories of rejection gain sympathy for Bob and fit into their theology of prophets being people who have had to deal with rejection all their lives. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. So we are too immature to have prophets be right all the time? Two of the most spiritual children I know were the Pliskas. I first met Bob Jones in the mid 1970's, but the first major prophetic word I heard him give was at the debriefing meeting held by Derek Prince after the '77 Charismatic Renewal Conference. copyright 2013, Way of Life Literature The 2000 would reveal the glory of God. No one in my background had ever heard the audible voice of God. Their only child, Bob Jones, Jr. was born October 19, 1911 in Montgomery, where they made their home. 8:20). How can any of this be attributed to God when Jones is so far removed from understanding the word of God, preaching the word of God and replaces it with new words from his mystical experiences that are not even related to Biblical concepts. Help me. And the voice spoke to me and says, I cant help you, Bob, until you forgive them. I even made several attempts at unity only to find that I had been prophesied over by another of the resident prophets. I did caution Mike Bickle about the strangeness of the prophet at the time. He has since gone to be with the Lord. And I was on a line where there werent very many and we were walking and when I went beyond this life I went into a cave and I looked out the cave and saw a man down there at the cave entrance and he was white light, but there was a whiter light than that white light holding hands out to me and my first thought was did I die clean, was my robe spotted cause I come out of such deep skin and I was concerned to see if I was clean and there was a man that stood alongside of me I never been able to see his face, hes the paracletos, the Holy Spirit.. he spoke to me and said look now you can see-I looked and my robe was white.The Holy Spirit is walking with Jones but not anyone else? 3) Turn from . It was then that Bob gave a word about Kansas City. Bickle later related that during his trip to heaven Jesus commissioned him to be one of Gods new generals to lead his end time army. We had a youth camp there. He has built a large library on the subject, interviewed influential Pentecostals and charismatics, and attended churches and conferences with media credentials in many parts of the world. BJ:= Bob Jones "Viola and I were involved in a church in '76. If he is not the same then how can we know we are encountering the authentic one? (Without clarifying the voice he continues), ..And immediately, I cried out for help. Besides that, he was never a member. At the time of his investigation, Nolen was chief of surgery at Meeker County Hospital in Litchfield, Minnesota. I have no words to express, toward any denial of Bobs disqualification, in light of the facts of his spurious history. ), 6. . Let me highlight the main problems-They will move into things of the supernatural that no one hasever moved in before. Jones claims a gift from God that demonstrates when the peoples prayers are being heard by the Father especially in the area of healing: I was over there with Jim awhile ago. Will and Judy were dedicated Christians and were youth leaders. This is no small error, it should be considered a heresy that changes the nature of God and man. And a lot of people have had a lot of good laughs about it. Surely if Jones is one of the churches new generals we will be led to defeat. By his own acknowledgement, MB: Because Bob had had a long history of rejection over a number of years cause every time he prophesied, something would happen cause most of them were negativethey threw him out as being in the occult and to putting curses on people.. And its going to be those that have that earring in and hear what God is saying. No wonder you are like you areTheyve got you in the crazy ward anyway, and you truly are crazy. This is an around-the-clock operation that involves several God-fearing servants and much technological expertise and costs. The trail of the Latter Rain continues to unfold, even though it was rejected in the late 40s, its acceptance today is by those who are unfamiliar with its past. It wasnt that the enemy could just take them, but he warned them. Wolves in sheep's clothing! Because the Lord told Bob that he was to come to help establish clarity and faith in the hearts of those young people so that when they believed, then there would be a whole new ability for the Lord to work in our midstwhen we believed the things about this movement. We pray God will use it to open the eyes of many and to help keep many of His children out of such deception. A former charismatic, said, The book is excellent and I have no doubt whatever that the Lord is going to use it in a mighty way. Bob spoke about deep spiritual things in simplistic parables but . During this time period there was a group called Grace Ministries ministerial team which consisted of Paul Cain, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, David Parker, Jim Goll, Francis Frangipane and Mike Bickle that were of the former the Kansas City Fellowship (that became the Metro Vineyard of Kansas City). I warned them about a motorcycle. It was so bizarre I couldnt believe anybody could think of something like that. As he prayed for understanding the Lord revealed to him that many people have been in the bud. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of Gods church?) document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. You are the one that cursed the leadership. https://thegovernmentalgoalsofgodtvpart2.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/god-tv-and-the-kcp-bob-jones-mike-bickle-john-paul-jackson-paul-cain-and-the-ernie-gruen-report-exposing-them-below/, Bob Jones and Mike Bickle channel demonic revelations. Many years later is when he entered into our world. I requested Bob that for at least a month that he sit quietly and be still. magazine found that two of the people that the Bentley ministry had reported as examples of his best healings had died of their diseases (Heal or Heel,, reported that police suspected drug overdose and that an envelope of white powder believed to be narcotics was found on Tims, but his mother is fighting in court to have the record sealed, claiming that his cause of death would be an embarrassment to her, his children, her grandchildren and his congregation.. I said, A movement? He said, Oh, the Lord told me you wouldnt know anything about it. Christ can only return when the people of God have reached that place of unity in which the Spirit and the Bride can say, Come (p. 73). It is Jones who tells us that the prophetic movement was started by an angel named Emma who is androgynous and appeared as female. Bob Jones, I must now say, in light of all of the over emphasized, untested signs, just assuming theyre from God, that Bob disqualified himself years ago, never submitting to correction, from the very beginning, even before he met Mike Bickle. They are listening to tails. but also there was a pull of the youth into immorality, drugs, and alcohol. BOB JONES BEGINS HAVING TECHNICOLOR VISIONSOFTEN BETWEEN FIVE AND TEN A NIGHTAND SUPPOSEDLY HAS HAD THEM FOR 15 YEARS! The Lost Books Of The Bible: Should We Accept Or Reject? Many will say this not a few. He was not, and I emphasize not, asked to leave our church. 3:10-13, Recing Bob Jones false prophecies was not Mikes first major error. Bob Jones and his bride, Mary Gaston Stollenwerck Jones, June 1908Jones's family was devoutly Christian . Heres another good one.. Did I have enough time? And there was a man that walked beside me and he said, You can look now, Bob, and see and I looked down and my robe was like crystal light (Mike Bickle with Bob Jones,Visions and Revelations, transcript, series of five tapes from the fall of 1988. And the Lord spoke and said, Bob, the white horse is coming and that will be the Christian group that Im going to use. He will be here the rest of his life. (P88, p. 4 5). e. Grandma Wynn, age 89; died January 12, 1978. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward" (1 Timothy 5:18). The 5 fold ministry is found in Eph.4:11 and there is no priesthood mentioned, it is about equipping the church. There are many reports of phenomena similar to the kind Jones describe found in occultism: heat in ones hands when the spirit of healing comes over them; touching someone to feel the same pain in order to diagnose sickness; predicting future events concerning famous personalities. Jones explains to us that his healing power came when he was struck by lightning: It was about 76. Now 2000 years ago the Savior was revealed. SUMMARY AND OBSERVATIONS a. Other items we sell to help fund our expensive literature and foreign church planting ministries. Bonnie and Lyn did a great job on writing it. You havent seen anything. Sometimes more, sometimes three or four(Mike Bickle,Visions and Revelations,1988), Mike Bickle explains the level of spiritual warfare Jones often experiences (Vineyard in Anaheim, CA in 1989): Bob Jones has come to me several times after ministry. We find out who Bob Jones White Talking Horse is and whom the angel of the Lord is. Man, you open the door to the devil every time. As they were burying them the Lord told me, This isnt the last. And you the children of God will come into that Papa/ son relationship. And it would begin a wave at Washington, and it would come on down and go through the whole United States ". I did not know until after I had sensed an uneasiness in my spirit about Mike, that Mike was the pastor of the church. Viola and I, we dearly loved them. Prophet Bob Jones also spoke words that needed time to come to fruition, and in today's "go, go, go" lifestyle, few have the patience to endure the way David did. As such we prayerfully rely on the support of our readers/listeners. Bob Jones went home to be with the Lord on Valentines Day 2014. He was backslidden and had been out of the church for over a year in the Navy. Theyll birth the Church,but their children will attain levels of the Holy Spirit that they will not. Anytime God is going to start a fire, he starts it with lightning. We had a youth camp there. You are welcome to make copies of these at your own expense and share them with friends and family, but they cannot be posted to web sites. We say, Lord, we dont throw out prophecy. GODMEN, plural! In the 1990's, we began to get a revelation of the Government of God. And a ball of fire danced all over that basement, and didnt hurt me. 1968. They were killed on a motorcycle two days later. MB: Because they were in sin. Quoting Jesus on the last days: Matthew 24:11And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many. (NASV) Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. (NASV). You find out what your blood is and what you can do.Bob Jones 2/95 Vancouver, Canada Vineyard, (http://thequickenedwordcommunity.com/cgi-bin/members/cforums.cgi?forumid= 112372859729293postid=9990224019736 action=messagesthreadid=9990224019736). Sir Robert 'Bob' Jones now New Zealand's largest private office building owner in Wellington and Auckland, and with substantial holdings in Sydney, totalling in excess of a billion dollars is a property investor, author and former politician, who has written fiction as well as books on property investment, selections of his newspaper and magazine columns, and reminiscences of . Bob Jones claims that when he was nine years old living in Arkansas, an angel carrying a great trumpet came riding down from the sky on a white horse and stopped before him in the middle of a dirt road. Bob is survived by his loving wife Bonnie Jones; his son Robert Wayne Jones of Lees Summit, MO; Step-son Lyn and his wife Katie Kost of Fort Mill, SC; Step-daughter Kimberly Glover and her husband Doug of Massillon, OH. b. In June 1982 the story picks up. Mary Gaston Jones died on May 12, 1989 in her 101st year83 years after the death of her husband's first wife. Dr. Bob Jones Jr. went home to be with the Lord on November 12, 1997. Ismiled and said nothing, I even made several attempts at unity only to find that I had been prophesied over by another of the resident prophets. Mike BicklesWierd Church In St. Louis Sheffield Family Life Center April 17, 1990 Dear Ernie: Greetings in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ! In discussing Bob Jones disqualifying history, heres my comment and a response from one commentator. It had really grown and looked a lot like Christ. It was like two big ole doors right here in his heart and itd be just that, and they was gone. He then saw people that Jesus didnt want who were on an elevator and an escalator to hell which was like a cold storage place. Jesus then commissioned him to touch the leaders in a new last days church so that he could absorba billion souls unto myself in the last day,Jones said. Instagram, 13 Feb. 2023, https://www.instagram.com/p/Colp6OgrUu-/. Little or no Scripture is ever mentioned. He said,If you knock that off well move back into all the signs and wonders you want to. (Isaiah 53:5-6, John 6:29, Romans 4:5, First Peter 3:18). So they said. Bob Jones is a contemporary prophet with a great love for the Lord Jesus and His truth. The greatest awakening of all time was going to be in the Soviet Union. . Early years. Having had the (nameless) prophet (I should say shameless prophet) under my pastoral care for a few months prior to the creation of S.K.C.F., I can verify that he was at that time very unstable in his behavior. Bob goes into great detail about his life b. Dager was a pioneer on this subject as he gave a warning of the false prophets that would change the church; the very things we are seeing today. If Mikes ministry and vision was built upon false prophecy, as difficult as it may seem to acknowledge, Mikes labour was in vain. Bob Jones first became known by being part of the Kansas city prophets back in the 1980s. I want to commend you for your stand regarding the Kansas City Fellowship. , and he had used this to impress people with his prophetic mystique.. I said, Five or ten a NIGHT!! 2:10-12). - Receive these reports by email But in these last days, He speaks to us through His SON. And Jesus said, SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES for they testify of Me. John 5. A statement issued by Rick Joyner, Jack Deere, and Mike Bickel said: Paul admitted to these sinful practices and was placed under discipline, agreeing to a process of restoration, which the three of us would oversee. concerning this mans behavior, but to my horror the leadership there began to put a great deal of stock in his prophesies. God was always right with his prophets in the Old Testament and New Testament, but in their ministry, they are not always right, they are not even half right; they are not as accurate as a skilled psychic. as she drew close to him he looked out and said did you learn to love and she said yes lord she threw her arms and he just put her arms around herand kissed her right on the lipsand just pulled her in and the rest of this is even more out of context from the Bible that I refuse to write about such nonsense. We are only able to do these things by the grace of God working through the gifts of Gods people. , Aug. 23, 2007). Bob refused counsel, refused to be under the subjection of the shepherd, and took off for other churches where he would be free to make his predictions. So I was settled then. Prophet Bob Jones went home to be with Jesus on 2-14-14, a day of LOVE. An amazing man of God and prophet went to Heaven on 2/14/14. Will and Judy Pliska, ages 31 and perhaps 29; died in the fall of 1976. A violet flame is able to extinguish illnesses according to New age teaching. Next was Chuck-JOHNEL on February 10, 2018. . His purpose for this people, in a hum-an sense, had some of its roots back in the hills of Arkansas when Bob was, ah, a young boy. in May 2007 included statements by former Without Walls staff members who testified that the Whites had shifted their focus to money and fame. and they would accept me in their midst. Because Bob had had a long history of rejection over a number of years cause every time he prophesied, something would happen. Barry says there was an old Bob Jones prophecy from the early 2000s (I think 2005) where Bob Jones said "first the honkers would come, then the Eagle!" 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